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Post by CJR1100 on Dec 10, 2006 21:21:00 GMT
I heard the pole split?
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gilly
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Post by gilly on Dec 11, 2006 2:57:48 GMT
The fittings were fine, although some so quirky as to be useless. Problem as I see it is down to build quality, the boats dont measure. If that isnt bad enough by the end of the worlds the hull on the boat we used was cracked in places that caused me grave concern, for instance the port chain plate area had a nasty split as did the stbd floor/hull joint. The foredeck had to be seen to be believed, although it was like this before we borrowed the boat. The boat vibrated and the tiller mount had been cut and welded at an angle so that it appeared to sit in the correct position!!!!! We broke good gear because, I think, too much force was required due to badly positioned fittings. For instance we could not fully sheet in the jib without both of us hauling it on stbd and we pulled blocks off/apart for the same reason.It was impossible to uncleat the jib whilst out on the wire most of the time, which added to the lack of grip on the sides made for a very unpleasant time. The spinnaker was an absolute nightmare, not just because of the lack of a tube and we snapped a pole in one race. I always thought I was a reasonable kite flier but I really hated this. There are many other gripes, some of which seem comical now but at the time they made racing miserable. Lest you think this is just the sad moaning of a total loser just blaming his tools( but hey I've always been a sad loser and I've always liked a good moan) I can assure you that we both worked at it like there was no tomorrow but a lot of the time we were fighting the boat and it shouldn't be like that. Albert and Alain had a 1991 Mader and ran rings round the other local boats, that they are good sailors there is no doubt but the results speak for themselves! If all the Tempests were French ones it wouldn't matter a jot, but they are not....there is great room for improvement. (I exclude Patrice from the above his latest boat goes well!) I stress that my opinions on just about anything, except possibly whether its day or night(and even then there are doubts) are rubbish: and the fact that I have had to run away and live on a small island, miles from nowhere, suggests that I am in fact the dangerous idiot that anyone who has ever met me knows only too well!
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Post by USA 1108 on Dec 11, 2006 11:38:52 GMT
OK well that's the first time I've heard someone articulate the reasons why the boat is rubbish and why the build quality of the hull itself is poor. I believe that I will only get a Mader now. Whether second hand or new, I won't waste my money on the Boatique. It will take another twenty builds for me to come back to the idea. Hopefully by then the production quality will have improved.
Gilly, please reing me up on Skyppe.
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Post by USA 1108 on Dec 11, 2006 11:43:02 GMT
postscript:
Boatique if you are reading this, kindly sell ME the molds. I think I can do better. It would be better for the class.
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Post by geise on Dec 13, 2006 11:27:52 GMT
I only sail a MK 1 but I in Austria we have a lot of MK II Maders and they are all ok. My MK 1 Mader is from 1982 and its in perfect conditions. The deck is still stiff and I do not weak in any spot. As fare as I know the MKII's from Mader are all great and indeed the guys sailing them are doing really well. I do not think that one has even thought of buying a frech one.
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Post by USA 1108 on Dec 13, 2006 12:53:50 GMT
given what I've learned, it would take a great deal of convincing for me to get a French boat.
Again, please sell me the molds. Quality control is the most important thing to do in this market.
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Post by USA 1108 on Dec 17, 2006 12:57:26 GMT
OK folks, I'm having lunch with someone this week. Pending that, I'm putting a deposit on a new boat.
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Post by CJR1100 on Dec 17, 2006 20:08:41 GMT
Bloody Hell ................................
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Post by USA 1108 on Dec 22, 2006 17:04:08 GMT
I think I found ONE!!!!
edited to add:
It's a 1993 Mader. With everything I could want, just no big 'chute. Haven't seen pix yet, but it is in Germany and I'm looking forward to it.
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gilly
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Post by gilly on Dec 22, 2006 22:11:36 GMT
Good news indeed.....but check it's race history, rumour has it that after the first batch of amazing mk 2's they got complacent and made some very slow boats. As a consequence they had to pull their socks up and the later boats were back up to speed. hope this helps. Mery Christmas Jon
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Post by USA 1108 on Dec 22, 2006 22:31:23 GMT
ohhh thanks a lot.
I've finally found one and it might be a lemon. . . Ebster says its goood.
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Post by USA 1108 on Dec 24, 2006 13:24:29 GMT
Image of the boat.
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Post by Tarmacsoftee on Dec 24, 2006 18:55:33 GMT
Nice one Kev Santa has come early then? When will it be posted to the US or will you leave it in Europe for some European action, like the Worlds maybe? Nige.
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Post by USA 1108 on Dec 24, 2006 20:09:16 GMT
don't know yet we have to agree on a price. Then it's a question of a short trip to England for it from there I do not know.
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Post by CJR1100 on Dec 24, 2006 20:32:31 GMT
Very nice, too nice for the Colonies, you know they will put a big V8 in it and say it was in the class rules...............
Looks great, DONT LET IT GET AWAY
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